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帖子主题: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   25/1/2010, 18:43

This has probably been discussed everywhere...
but of course there's no definite answer about it...
What's your comment on this?
Heard that Kattun has not gone to SDK is because of the incident that happened at Heyx3 @ 13/03/2006...

大家或多或少可能在别处讨论过这个话题,
你们的意见又是如何呢?
Kattun 到底和爷俩的关系好不好呢?
话说,至今他们没上堂本兄弟是因为 Heyx3 13/03/2006 的事件。。。

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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   27/1/2010, 00:18

我覺得不關UTABA的事......
很早之前已經有傳聞傳出他們關係不好的了
其實據我之前看過的UWASA知道
好像是從光一的SHOCK??POP JAM時開始傳出他們的關係不好
我不確定是哪個,有聽過這個UWASA的親請指證一下
那個UWASA說不知道KT中誰說的
在綵排的時候光一看到不知KT誰的戴著項鍊
然後光一怕他們弄傷於是說叫他們把項鍊拿下來
但那個人覺得光一是在針對他
以上之是UWASA....有多少是真我真的不確定啦!
大家看看就好了^^

其實這幾年KT跟KK的關係是有變化的
曾經聽到過喜歡KT的朋友說因為丸子的關係
所以他們的關係已經沒以前那麼壞了
而且光一也有以特別GUEST身份出現在他們的CON上

至於他們為什麼不上堂本兄弟
我想應該有很多因素存在吧!!
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   27/1/2010, 02:40

我是完全不知道事情經過很好奇的一枚(<--來亂的XD)
一直我也只聽說他們很像關係不好
可是哪裡也沒看到過原因(<--資源很少>.<)
後來也就沒太去理解了
光一出現在KT的Con上還真的不知道呢
不過這樣應該多少有點變化了..?這樣也不錯^^

i've always heard of this rumour, but have never really found out what really happened..so im actually here to look for an answer>.<
didnt know that koichi went as a guest in one of KT's con
but that does means the relation between them is slowly changing......right?ma..thats not a bad thing too^^
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   27/1/2010, 09:58

只听说过51去过他们的con
好像和J桑一起去的
其实个人觉得kk就好像是他们的家长
不过完全不亲耶!

不过也听说他们很怕51244就是。。。
244可说是没和他们有交际

反而和其他后辈有交流
TT, NEWS啊,关8啊,HSJ啊,MA, the 武道,Five 还有很多。。。

就是和KT没交流。。。

I've only heard abt 51 going to their con, apparently 51 went there with Johnny san.
Personally I feel that KK is like their "parents" but I have no idea why it seems like they have no interaction!

What I've heard is that they seem to be quite scared of 51244
and 244 seems to have no interaction with them at all...

and 244 seems to have quite a lot of interaction with TT, NEWs, K8, HSJ, MA etc...

I wonder why...

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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   27/1/2010, 10:44

...what!!! why have i never heard of this before now...damn is it me or is the English fandom really behind, or just not posting enough info, or i'm just super bad with the search engine.

all i've heard that regard anything of KT is they don't really like KK or mainly Koichi...if i remember correctly it had something to do with Akanishi Jin and Koichi. not sure, very iffy about this.

please fill me in on what happen @ HEYx3 on March 13, 2006.

P.S. now where did the idea of KT being scared of KK came from. i can never imagine anyone being afraid of KK, they just seem so nice...well, this is from a fans' point of view. the only reason i could think of KT not having interaction with KK is because they just seem kinda unapproachable at times.
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   27/1/2010, 10:53

Heyx3 on March 13 2006
i think if i rem correctly (i went to search online @ tudou and watch it just a few days ago)

they were saying some sempais request or ask them not to go perform or on stage cos their dances are not line up or neat (that time they only back dance for our dear KK if i'm not wrong) correct me if i'm wrong...

then they also mention how Takki is nice and praise them
but nv nv nv mention a word abt KK
and KK was the one who brought them out, or rather our prince who brought them out!!

so i think they have offended KK?
i'm not too sure either...

pardon me, but i'm no KT fan here...
I'm a KK fan and always a KK fan!

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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   27/1/2010, 21:14

因为好奇KK和KAT-TUN的关系,所以我也看了那一集的heyX3
当时他们为光一伴舞次数最多吧,所以kame口中讨厌他们的前辈会是KK吗?我觉得是有可能性吧~不上DB这个就是个最大的疑问了
无论是早期的岚、NewS,或是上了3次的tegomass、关8,连07年出道的HSJ都上过,每一组都上了,就欠KT
感觉KAT-TUN团每一位都很有性格(?),假设他们犯错的话,感觉工作态度严谨的光一应该总会严厉训斥KT吧,KT或多或少都会不服(?)【我猜测而已哦
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   28/1/2010, 13:18

who care about KATTUN, they was not even in good relationship between KATTUN member....
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   28/1/2010, 14:08

Ran 写道::
who care about KATTUN, they was not even in good relationship between KATTUN member....

Well,
true enough, but Kattun was after all, KK's back dancers for some time...
and to think KK is on good terms with practically all juniors, well except them of course...

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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   1/2/2010, 16:01

Hello, first time leaving a comment...

I have heard so much about the rumor between KK and KT.
I don't know any specifics, but personally I don't think KT
is a very likable group. (if I offend any KT fans here, I apologize.)
Compared to other groups after KK, KT often strikes me as
a group that is arrogant. Maybe I should say some members of KT.
I don't think KK dislike them; I think maybe it's more like they just
have absolutely nothing in common with them.
KK, in many ways, is very low-key;
KT, in my eyes, is attention-seeking driven.
I think they are the kind of people that tsuyo for sure will stay
away from. And if their attitude is not very respectful, I don't think
either tsuyo or Koichi will even pay much attention to them out of their insanely busy schedule.
Tsuyo said in 2009 on Hey3 that they have nothing to do with him.
He also indicated in J con MC about certain member of KT...
I personally don't think KK are the kind of people that hold grudges.
If anything unpleasant did happen, I don't think KK cares about it
any more. I think they don't appear on DB because since KT thinks
they are so big and popular, I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   1/2/2010, 20:58

事實上,我也詢問過資齡比較久的朋友,起因並非2006年的節目,而是更早之前的SHOCK,那時候那一團(抱歉,我不喜歡他們,請容許我用某些字眼帶過)還是在光一的後面當伴舞的時期,至於他們的無禮以及目無尊長,我想這和帶他們的前輩有關係(笑)

希望這裡不會有喜歡某一團的人(汗)不然我覺得說出來也只是打口水戰而已(笑)

如果有人想知道的話,我想我必須先問過我朋友,再將始末全部PO上來好了~(因為這裡也算是開放的空間)

By the way,他們得罪的並不只有光一(笑)
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   1/2/2010, 22:48

那就有劳小傲问问你的朋友吧
我也蛮想知道的
居然不止得罪王子啊。。
嗯,有意思

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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   2/2/2010, 09:53

傲楓 写道::
事實上,我也詢問過資齡比較久的朋友,起因並非2006年的節目,而是更早之前的SHOCK,那時候那一團(抱歉,我不喜歡他們,請容許我用某些字眼帶過)還是在光一的後面當伴舞的時期,至於他們的無禮以及目無尊長,我想這和帶他們的前輩有關係(笑)

希望這裡不會有喜歡某一團的人(汗)不然我覺得說出來也只是打口水戰而已(笑)

如果有人想知道的話,我想我必須先問過我朋友,再將始末全部PO上來好了~(因為這裡也算是開放的空間)

By the way,他們得罪的並不只有光一(笑)

I kind of want to know what happened. To me, I think it's better than guessing based on rumors from
different sources. I really hope that you can post what happened (with your friend's okay on this of course).
I always thought that it was more to do with 51...like some disagreement between them. I didn't know there was more to this.
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   6/2/2010, 12:49

Personally I think KT should pay more respect to their seniors especially to KK! If Koichi did not "create" them, they are still remain "unborn" or "unknown" at JE or the world. No offends to KT fans because I'm kind of like Kamen. I don't think the whole group are having problem with KK (Just 1of the members?). If they want to "show off" or do things using "their" ways, is ok to do so in your own show. Senior's advise are based on their experiences, not to prohibits you to show your "talent". They should be appreciate to Koichi for giving them a chance to change their life.
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   9/2/2010, 00:01

我整個忙到忘記回了,不好意思T^T

我有問過朋友,朋友說OK,所以可以將事情說出來,是說,這其實會扯到瀧澤(汗),也希望,如果有人很喜歡那一團的話,請跳出去,不要看(笑)


2002年,是光一和KT合作的最後一年,而或許有人會問為什麼隔年的F CON他們還會出現,那是因為當時後的MA行程滿檔,所以才會再次啟用他們。

來說一下關於某團裡面的那位先生(後來傳聞被流放去國外念書一年的那位)
由於他在排演的時候,服裝上的掛鍊,蔗其實也沒什麼,年輕人或許會覺得這很帥很炫什麼的,想要展現依下自己穿衣服的品味,這真的沒什麼(笑)
只不過,他在排練的時候,並沒有把裝飾品拿下,而是在排練的時候任裝飾品飛舞,這樣,很危險,而光一也注意到了,也一次又一次的請他將裝飾品拿下,畢竟如果因此而受傷,不管對誰而言都不好
光一是帶他們排演的前輩,尤其是責任重大,但是那位先生如果自己因此而受傷了,他自己也會不好受吧,更甚者,如果不小心去甩到別人的話呢?
不管是光一或是他自己,都難責其疚。

只是那位先生,依然故我,是光一的警告為無物,理所當然,光一在說了一次兩次說不聽之後,他根本也懶的去說了(只是臉很臭)。

正巧當天剛到帝劇探視的時候,從工作人員的嘴裡聽到了這個消息,剛也不想讓兩方為難,也想說如果自己可以勸好那位先生的話,光一心裡或許就不會這麼難受了。

不過對方根本不鳥他,也無視剛的規勸,也因此,讓光一知道之後,更是直接將他們剔除SHOCK的名單。
(傷光一事小,傷剛~~就是天大的事情了(笑))

事後,他們有想過要道歉(但是時間過了多久,我就不清楚了)
不過KINKI兩個人完全不接受(畢竟剛開始的時候究竟是誰先讓他們兩個碰的一鼻子灰的?)
後來還是瀧澤帶著他們,親自去像KINKI道歉,KINKI才接受的。

說到敲門,其實還有另外一個八卦,希望大家不要介意我轉一下話題XDDDD
是說那六個人一開始要道歉的時候,是連門都沒有敲,就直接闖進去說要道歉,想當然爾,KINKI兩個人當然會生氣,畢竟敲門是基本禮儀,不管有沒有人在裡面都相同,或是裡面的人有沒有在"做什麼"也是相同道理的。
也因為如此,才有後來隆則帶著他們敲門道歉的結果了。

然後在說到瀧澤,因為當時的小J是瀧澤在帶的,KINKI沒有帶什麼Jr,也因為這樣,很多小J其實有點走樣(汗)
畢竟,當時的瀧澤,跟那一團的年齡也沒有相差太多,可以說得上是小朋友帶小朋友,也就因為這樣不會有太明顯的前後輩之分。

反過頭去看KINKI跟SMAP還有少年隊,KINKI算是被這兩個團體帶出來的,其中又以SMAP帶他們的時間最久,可以拿來跟那一團作個比較(笑)
說真的,我喜歡叫他們好孩子不是叫假的啊XDDDDD
他們真的很清楚長幼之分,還有上下的關係,加上有前輩如此用心的帶人(待人),也才帶出了這麼兩個可愛的好孩子XDDDDD

其實下面都是廢話耶(毆)

啊.......因為我被某團的放嗆過,所以,我真的不喜歡那團(笑)
如果不爽我寫的,真的可以跳出去不要看~(特別寫給不小心看這麼多的某團放XD)
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   9/2/2010, 11:26

傲楓 写道::
我整個忙到忘記回了,不好意思T^T

我有問過朋友,朋友說OK,所以可以將事情說出來,是說,這其實會扯到瀧澤(汗),也希望,如果有人很喜歡那一團的話,請跳出去,不要看(笑)。。。

I think this is quite detailed explanation for KK & KT relationships. Thank you very much ^^. But my Chinese are really limited, can anybody try to translate this to English, please?
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   10/2/2010, 10:32

谢谢小傲和小傲的朋友!!
现在我总算知道怎么回事了!
哼!
没错,伤到光一,光一顶多懒得回应,
但伤到刚,哼!光一才不会那么就算了!
真是找死!
就说吧。。。

@ jenny - give me some time to translate them!
but... looking at my schedule... might be after CNY.. hope u dun mind...

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@ mitsui1031

It is very kind of you Very Happy Thanks in advance ^^
Take your time~ (As long as you don't forget :p)
Don't mind at all coz I have some idea what its saying xD
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   11/2/2010, 22:32

谢谢亲的回答。。。又明白了一件事。。。果然啊。。。伤到光一。。顶多是不回应。。伤到刚。。。掐死他们。。。
Thanks to qin's answers.I have known another thing...IF some people want to hurt koichi,it has no answers at most.But if some people want to hurt tsuyo..pinch them!
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   12/2/2010, 10:26

不上DB很多人都说因为KT都有自己的节目..kat-tun cartoon。。。

说前辈不好的大概也不是说KK吧...毕竟上面也有不少前辈的说...
关于HEY上的那个我听过,貌似当时JIN带着首饰,因为跳舞的时候很容易受伤,所以被大爷说了一顿...(不知道是不是这个)
露露公主 说的合理~ KK对人都是很好的, 当然在工作上他们会很严厉...被训斥后他们不多不少有会有不服, 特别是KOKI
说真的,不是在黑KT, 但他们跳舞有时候很不齐...特别是他们6个在台上表演..嘛..真的很乱..那时候我就觉得J+是不是每个人只顾着自己不管其他人...
(在真正认识KK之前是在看KT的演出)

大爷是去过KATTUN的CON, 我觉得他们是抱着尊敬前辈的态度去对待吧~
大爷曾经也说过,替前辈伴舞的后辈很难和前辈相处 之间总是有一道墙隔离..或者很难以“朋友”的感觉去对待前辈吧~

我知道KAME是很尊敬KK的 同时也很喜欢他们吧~ ^^ 在LIPS的PV上有唱KK的ANNIVERSARY哦~
而且小刚也写过歌给KAME
至于其他的member我就不确定了
大概是抱着无所谓的心情= =
(小丸子对大爷很尊敬的说~ 看SUSHI王子也可以看得出~ )
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   18/2/2010, 02:41

Thanks 小傲...(can I call you this?)
The story is pretty much what I heard...at least the part about A...
I didn't know that he (they) also was impolite to tsuyo.
I guess it really not very obvious in F con. The MCs in DVD looked normal...never could tell this actually happened back in 2002.

Never like KT...mostly A...

Thanks again!
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   25/2/2010, 18:35

Of course you can call me 小傲^^
I am sorry that I cannot type the whole story in English......My English is not very well, and I afraid that there may be something wrong if I translate into English.

Regarding to this event, I have asked several friends about this. All of them told me that they were inpolite to Tsuyoshi. Somehow, I think they should pay more respect to Tsuyoshi even if they had no working expreices with him.

However, I believe that KinKi always want to show their best to every fan, and that's the reason why when we saw the F con DVD and feel there is nothing wrong between these two group.
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   8/4/2010, 08:51

kat-tun is not on their programs, this does not mean anything.
On the rumors, we hear too much. Coke hope we are all wise.
In addition, J home, there is competition among organizations and groups is inevitable, but they get along Yebu illusion ten years, so, please continue to believe that they must have loved.

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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   12/4/2010, 16:47

I am sory out of topic, but i cant stand not to comment.
小可樂, your avatar sooooo adorable!!! I love it! Wink
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帖子主题: 回复: KAT-TUN & KinKi Kids, is their relation good or bad? | KAT-TUN 和 KK 关系到底好不好?   12/4/2010, 17:53

I think that no matter how their relationship may be,
Kat-tun should have pay more respect to all seniors, not just our KK...
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